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Post by Steven Barnes on Feb 26, 2005 11:33:16 GMT -5
We've been talking about sex, and this is a subject that people are pretty shy about. But sexuality is second-chakra stuff, second only to core survival in the ability to raise your energy. A kink in this chakra can cause ghastly damage. Rape, abuse, premature sexual experience, sexual guilt, etc.--all can cripple your energy. If we are going to be fully alive and aware, the proper use of this energy is critical. ## I thought I would ask you guys what exactly sexuality is to you? To begin to define the arena. There is so much here, including questions of when sex is and is not appropriate. Was sex appropriate between a President and an intern? Between strangers? Between children? I think that we all have our rules, and it's important to have those rules operating at conscious levels. ## For me, sex is appropriate between adults (those who support themselves) when there is genuine honesty about what the reciprocal obligations and communications. Both people must understand what sex means to the other. For instance, there are many people for whom sex means love. No matter what they say, no matter what the context, if you have sex with them, they think it means "I love you." And you had bettter understand that, or you are going to run into real problems. ## For me, sex is communication, entertainment, stress relief, spiritual connection, comfort, intellectual adventure, and physical art form. I (almost) never had sex with anyone I wouldn't have been willing to take a call from at 3 in the morning if they were in trouble. I always tried to treat my partners as I would want someone to treat my sister, my mother, or my daughter. And I've made mistakes. There were times I wound up in bed with someone who was more damaged than I anticipated, and the results were pretty gruesome. But with perhaps one exception, I am still on friendly terms with every lady with whom I've shared intimacy, and treasure each and every memory.
Definitions for you guys?
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Post by soussans on Mar 2, 2005 13:30:26 GMT -5
okay steve I'm going to step in here because no one else is coming forward and I can't believe it's because there's nothing to say about the topic at hand (you should excuse the expression!)
I find it difficult to separate "sexual" from sensual and sentient and sacred and spirit
in the best expression of sexuality it contains all these and communicates them
gives of them and takes them in from any sexual experience
in this cronish period of my life that is how I have come to view sexuality and how I have come to experience it
and quite frankly this comes as a totally stupendous surprise to me given what we are told about aging
I have been known to say that my spirit dwells in my thingy
and I say it because well it's true
and it's an imprtant thing about my Self
I don't think this is a stuck at that chakra thing I think this is more Tantric than that____ though I'm definitely not an expert on the underpinings of Tantra
the matter of using the healing power of sex is something I promised to write up for you a week or so ago and while there are so many other things I want to say taking off from what I've said above I'm going to do this one first
so here goes:
I have a friend let's call him CC (for captain courageous) who wandered on to my blog shortly after I started it and over the course of some private messaging I discovered that CC was pretty much wheel chair bound He was 48. And disgnosed during a football injury when he was 16 (count 'em that's 30 years) with Spondylolysis which is the degeneration or deficient development of the articulating parts of the vertebra. It can range from a serious condition to a mild one.
In CC’s case serious as this happened Spondylolysis may permit forward slippage of a vertebra onto the next vertebra below it, producing a spondylolisthesis.
(kinda like crimping the spinal cord)
he was a star high school football playe and football was to be his ticket to college so even after practices when he could not exert conscious control over his legs he continued to play
eventually there was surgery and scar on the spinla cord and surrounds and the development of stenosis in the sacral/lumbar region wherein plaque starts to be deposited in the open spaces in the vertebrae eventually closing up the opening through which the spinal cord passes, severing it. and causing complete paralysis and lack of feeling except for phantom limb feeling in the legs
despite these developments CC went to college earned a Master’s in Occupational Therapy married and worked
several workplace accidents/events did more damage.
when I encountered him itr had been determined that a few years previous that surgery to cut the cord was not a promising solution due to all the scar tissue and stenosis i.e., they might end up having to cut higher causing more paralysis than would occur by waiting for the plaque and shards to sever it; a process they told him would take 5-7 years on its own
so CC decided rather than riusk greater loss to wait the process out.
I came into his life around year five he and his wife had recently relocated back to the midwest where he was originally from and in the process lost health insurance before the move he had got to the point that morphine was no longer touching his pain’and the pain meds that did cost $2000 per month
so he was enduring without ANY pain medication.
he was in process of losing complete movement in his legs and in bowel and bladder control and not knowing how much longer he’d have erections
meanwhile his mate was working long nights at a job and sleeping the days and for reasons of her own was no longer interested in sex.
terrible situation for both of them.
CC had a biofeedback machine and trainging in using it and also was using relaxation techniques and visualization and breathing to help control his pain but he told me many days he spent screaming and crying and he was not sleeping for more than two hours at a time.
This got me thinking about something I had observed: that even with headaches or backaches or really any kind of pain when I was having sex the pain was not present.
So I suggested to him he try sex as pain control
which was when he told me that his situation was pretty much sexless
so I proposed that we have phone sex and see what that did for his pain using the endorphin rush and relaxation afterwards to see if we couldn’t shore up his ability to control his pain plus having a sexual life while he still could (a thing of great concern to him)
so we did and afterwards I talked him through focusing on how his body felet especially his unfeeling legs
the extreme contractions and extensions of his legs and feet stopped his back uncurled he felt warmth in his legs he was totally pain free for some rare precious minutes and he was able to relax and fall asleep and sleep for eight hours!
so we continued with this practice once or so times a week
he worked on deepening his visualizations and reproduction of the warmth and relaxation to use on his own
we continue though now the degenerative process is really hitting him hard and the pain disappears only for seconds still it affords him some better quality sleep
the pain got so bad recedntly that he has been back to the doctors even though insurance is unavailable in the hopes that something new might have become available surgery wise in the intervening years
we kid around about giving pain management workshops
there is no question that this has afforded him some relief and to me that makes it a best aspect of sexuality
I add this man despite living in pain for thirty years that you and I cannot even imagine has a wonderfully optimistic outlook the majority of the time
and he continues to try to do work (despite all this pain; and a recent mini-stroke and other horrendous consequences of his condition) which is why I have chosen to call him Captain Courageous and why I expend loving time and energy with him
so there you have it: sex as a healing meditation
suzanne
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Post by Steven Barnes on Mar 3, 2005 11:58:16 GMT -5
A beautiful, beautiful post. I would never say "stuck" at the second chakra: that would be both unfair and inaccurate. I'd say that you are gloriously alive at the second chakra. Human energy is human energy--it boils closest to the surface during emergency situations, and sexual expression. Learning to take the sexual energy and raise it to the level of physical power (third chakra) is learning to use it for healing. Thank you so much for sharing this!
Steve
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Post by soussans on Mar 3, 2005 12:06:28 GMT -5
"thingie" STEVE???!!!!!!
*cracked up*
IS there something verboten about the anglo-saxon word which is one of my favorite words; stripped of all the negativce crap and abuse its taken over time?
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Post by baubosboy on Mar 3, 2005 19:44:12 GMT -5
Actually, soussans, it's nothing to joke about. I had a thingie on my back, and my doctor decided we should remove it. It turned out to be benign, but still--you should get it looked at. By a professional. Especially if it's anywhere near your girl thingy.
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Post by marylahree on Oct 15, 2007 0:24:38 GMT -5
What a loaded topic! I notice there weren't many takers on the invitation to respond. So I thought, why not?
I'm hardly the most knowledgeable when it comes to a variety of sexual experiences, having been with only one man, my husband of thirty years. But I do have set opinions about what is appropriate. Long ago my father suggested to me that, ones body is the highest complement they can give to another and that, the other ought to be worthy of that complement.
Yes, I agree that sex is communication, entertainment, stress relief - all of what you mentioned Steve. But only if I value the person I intend to engage in sex with. I believe that 'love' is most easily defined as the highest degree of value we place on another; with 'like' being a lesser degree of value. I believe I would feel less than honest if I slept with someone I didn't really value deeply. Mary
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Post by Steven Barnes on Oct 15, 2007 14:17:28 GMT -5
Mary-- Having had sex with people I did NOT have love for, I can promise that, while the physiological response may be powerful, the emotional power is diminished considerably when emotions are not engaged.
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Post by marylahree on Oct 16, 2007 2:27:35 GMT -5
I believe I can well imagine. Aside from my father, brothers, very close friends, I have felt my skin crawl whenever casual friend has tried to put an arm around my shoulder, ect., male or female. I guess I don't care to have my personal space invaded.
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Post by delilah on Oct 16, 2007 23:32:39 GMT -5
Sex is hard for me to talk about publicly. I'm odd. Regular sex bores me to tears. What stimulates me are elements of control, given or taken. Some people think this is bad and wrong. I've come to accept it as just different. We can all like different colors and that doesn't make anyone wrong.
I worry about it sometimes, because my husband isn't like me, and I worry it could become a big problem if I wanted more of what I like. As it is I feel almost celibate, but he gets what he needs. I get the rest of us and we work well together, so well I wouldn't want to end it to find someone with less who can be what I enjoy sexually.
This is d**n embarrassing to talk about!
Sexuality to me is a feeling. It should always be consensual. There was an encounter (before they stopped because it's too much effort for him, and he generally isn't very good which often left me frustrated) where I found BLISS. Yes, bliss, that place of complete peace and contentment where the voices in my head were utterly silent. It was awesome.
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Post by Steven Barnes on Oct 22, 2007 11:50:36 GMT -5
May I ask the circumstances under which this blissful state was reached?
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Post by delilah on Oct 22, 2007 16:45:15 GMT -5
Perhaps it is similar to meditation in that, through activities involving pleasure and pain (where pain can actually be pleasure, it's a fine line between the two when you can wrap your mind around it), I focus on pleasing. At first I thought of it as being comfortablly submerged in a pool, because everything had that liquidy movement and feel to it. And getting there is like walking into the pool; there are different levels of depth. When I found bliss, I was deep, very deep into it. It's too bad my husband doesn't get the same feeling. It'd be so cool to share bliss together.
I had another thought about sex. I never thought I connected it to love, and that's true on the surface, but underneath, over time, it is a very bonding experience. Feelings of love come from the act, and the natural reaction is to attribute that to who you're with.
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Post by Steven Barnes on Oct 24, 2007 14:10:36 GMT -5
Sex is a type of physical merging. Love is a spiritual/emotional merging. They overlap, but aren't the exact same thing.
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Post by marylahree on Oct 24, 2007 17:00:55 GMT -5
Well stated, Steven. But I suppose you already know that. <grin> Delilah, out of curiosity, what leads you to believe that your husband does not find bliss? I mean, as much as foreplay and intercourse are mutual exchanges, there is still a self-serving aspect to the act on the part of each partner. Otherwise, why would one engage in it? Could it be that he just doesn't express the bliss he might feel in a way that leaves you aware it? Also, please take no offense, but I have to wonder if what you believe results in feelings of "love" towards a casual partner might only be profound gratitude and a sense of comfort - knowing that the person is available to you sexually, and that they are in tune with what physically pleasures you.
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Post by aprilg on Oct 25, 2007 8:49:52 GMT -5
Sex for me has always been basic to my sense of well being. It's a way of relating to the world and my deepest self. My writing tends to be intensely sexual, and I like to read work by Charlaine Harris, Laurell K. Hamilton, and Charles DeLint, where there is this deep connection between sex and the world. What DeLint sexual? Perhaps sensual would be a better way to describe him.
I'm just coming out of a six month dry spell in writing. At 51 I've entered menopause and I'm trying to adjust to the changes that my body is creating in me. I just finished one of the short stories that I started last Feb. and am about to re-start and finish another one.
I think what has forced me back into a creative mode is losing the use of my right arm through tendonitis and bursitis for the past two months. I'm working with a chiro to get back the use of my arm and he's given the green light for me to take up karate again, so yeah, a lot of healing has gone on.
Though married, my dh and I have lost a lot of our sexual mojo. He had a quadruple by-pass three years ago, and for a long time we were afraid to touch each other. As a middle aged couple we get most of our excitement from attending Saturday matinees at the opera . We hug and cuddle a lot and verbally show affection, but not too much more. Sorry if that’s TMI.
I'm trying to chart this course through middle age gracefully, but it all feels very awkward right now.
Thanks for the great topic,
April
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Post by marylahree on Oct 25, 2007 11:50:31 GMT -5
For me, I don't know that sex has ever been basic to a sense of well being, but only to a sense of fullfillment in that aspect of my life, or the lack of. Somewhat early into our marriage my husband decided to become a truck driver, which back then, kept us apart for weeks at a time. I adjusted much earlier in life, to what most don't begin to experience until later years, as their sex drive diminishes, but not necessarily in unity with one another. My urges were no less normal than any other woman's, so it took a lot of soul searching on my part. Did love and sex equate to the same? Because I did not prefer a life without my husband in it regardless that frequency of sex had changed. Ultimately I discovered much more to love and life.
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